Hypocrite Update

I thought I would take a moment to update you fine folks on the trials of a certain piece of slime I have mentioned a couple of times here on my little slice of the web.

It seems that meth addict solicitor Ted Haggard has been cured of the gay. Yes folks. According to Rev. Tim Ralph, one of the four ministers involved in his counseling, Ted Haggard is now "completely heterosexual."

Naturally, my initial reaction was "Praise the Lord!" Well, actually, it was more on the line of "Bullshit!" But, you get the message either way.

Now, I can't say that I'm surprised about his "cure", after all, there is a precedent for this with Swaggart's recovery from hooker addiction (twice), but what I was confused about was the type of cure.

According to Ralph, Haggard underwent three weeks of "counseling." I don't see how this would help, because as Haggard said many times, homosexuality is demonic, and active warfare against the demons is needed. So, it would seem that an exorcism would be necessary, and there is no mention of one having taken place.

Then there's the problem with the cure only taking three weeks. According to Haggard's fellow bullshit artist/minister, James Dobson, the cure should have taken four or five years.

This leaves one with the suspicion that maybe the demons are just hiding until Haggard can find a new playmate, and a new ice dealer.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

In the mean time: there's a rumor that Ted is thinking of becoming a police officer, but that is unsubstantiated for the moment.

When at Fault--Always Blame Others. So Sayeth the Lord

Today I came across a tragic story out of Pittsburgh that I feel compelled to address.

It seems that last November Rev. Brent Dugan, pastor of Community Presbyterian Church of Ben Avon committed suicide in a motel room because of an upcoming investigative report from KDKA-TV, a local television station. The report was supposed to expose "illicit, possibly illegal, activity by a local minister, activities which at the very least violated the rules of his denomination." The behavior to be exposed, was the pastor's having been involved in a homosexual relationship for the preceding four years.

This story strikes at several issues that I have somewhat strong opinions about, but didn't show up on my radar until I found a story at Fox News this morning about the aftermath of the pastor's suicide. According to the story (that Fox mislabeled--more on this later), a coalition of religious leaders in Pittsburgh has lodged a complaint with the FCC saying that KDKA's news department had "'sentenced' Dugan before the presbytery had a chance to investigate and deal with his behavior."

All of reports and opinions I have seen about this chain of events, zero in on the KDKA's reporter's actions, which, admittedly were out of line, but by no means something new or odd.

By and large, the American news media had become a source of entertainment. Gone are the Murrow's and Cronkite's of decades past. Information-based news has been largely replaced by inaccuracy, sensationalism, and entertainment news designed to improve ratings and draw advertisers. Fox News, where I found the article, is the most notorious proof of this, but other news agencies are guilty too.

Fox labeled the story as "News Report on Porn Led to Priest's Suicide, Group Alleges in FCC Complaint." The report had nothing to do with "porn." The story was about Rev. Dugan's being secretly homosexual, and no where in the AP report that Fox used does it say so. Clearly the headline was designed to grab the attention of Fox News' largest demographic--right-wing conservatives, and had nothing to do with journalistic accuracy.

The top two headlines this morning on CNN's website were about the death of Anna Nicole Smith and the paternity fight over her baby. Clearly, for the folks at CNN, the death, and sex-life of a Playboy centerfold/Trim Spa spokesperson, take precedence over stories lower on the "Top Stories" list such as those about unethical and illegal behavior by the vice-presidential staff, the situation of the war in Iraq, and the tragic death of six children in a house fire in Kentucky.

It's no wonder more registered American voters vote for American Idol contestants than presidents. As Jefferson warned, ignorance is the biggest enemy of Democracy.

Investigative reporting can be a good thing. Investigative reporters exposed the Watergate scandal, the actions that led to the ongoing Libby trial mentioned above, the Abu Ghraib abuses, and many other useful informative stories, but the story at issue here is not one of them. Instead it falls more in the category of Anna Nicole Smith's love-child.

I am not saying that exposing a religious leader's hypocrisy is a bad thing, but that is not what appears to have happened here. Unlike sleazeballs like Ted Haggard, or Jimmy Swaggart, Rev. Dugan was not simply "caught:" he was, it appears, set-up. It seems that his lover arranged a meeting with him, and set it up so that the news cameras were there.

But, even being "set-up" is not the problem, because unlike douche bags like Haggard, Swaggart, or even my buddy Don Spitz, Rev. Dugan was not (that I can find) actively spreading hate, intolerance, and general stupidity, in fact, his denomination, Presbyterian, is one of the more compassionate Christian denominations in this country having taken the lead in compassion toward, acceptance of, and even ordination of homosexuals, and women.

My problem with this series of events revolves not around the hypocrisy of the victim of the story, or even the story itself, but rather what it says about Rev. Dugan's community, and American society.

The issue here is not hypocrisy, like with Haggard, and Swaggart, but rather society's response to this man's sex-life. The basis for the story wasn't an anti-gay homophobe turning out to be gay, it was a community leader's being gay period. In a church where being gay is not demonized, a pastor had to hide his being gay. Why?

Obviously Rev. Dugan felt that his life would be ruined when his "faithful" congregation, fellow religious leaders, and the rest of the community found out that he was gay. He knew that the very people who are publicly mourning him now, would have driven his ass out of town, and publicly condemned him as evil. Herein we see the true hypocrisy.

Religious leaders in Pittsburgh, and members of Rev. Dugan's congregation have publicly blamed the news report for Dugan's suicide. But, as wrong as the report was, it wasn't the prospect of being on television that drove Rev. Dugan to suicide: it was the bigotry of the people casting blame. He knew what would happen to him, so he, like so many gays who face this, saw no way out and ended his own life.

The people so actively engaged in placing blame for this know in their hearts where the blame truly lies, and need only do one thing to see who is really to blame.

All they need to do is look in the mirror.

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Jesus Loves the Little Children

Anyone who knows me, or has perused this blog knows that I tend to go into religious conversations with sarcasm, and jokes. And, many people have told me that I have a sadistic streak when it comes to religious discussions, and that my attacks on Christians are similar to challenging a quadriplegic to a foot race.

This may or may not be true (probably is), but my attacks on religions, primarily Christianity, have a serious side which stems largely from my opinion that fanatical religious beliefs are dangerous.

This opinion has been justified time and time again throughout my life: Jonestown, Waco, Oklahoma City, Al Qaeda, Eric Robert Rudolph, and, on and on and on... But, never in my life have I seen Christian radicalism that sickened me more than what I have been looking into for the last couple of days.

While working on Monday's post I came across a mention of a documentary DVD entitled Jesus Camp. Anytime I see the word Jesus it peaks my interest, so I checked it out. In this post I intend to tell, and show you what I found.

Before I continue, I want to warn you that this post will likely entail an expenditure of a great deal of time by the reader. For this I apologize, but I feel that this subject warrants a good deal of time to fully appreciate.

BACKGROUND:

Jesus Camp is a documentary from film makers Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady of Loki Films; an independent documentary film company whose stated goal is:

"Making films that evoke a deeper understanding of the human experience with all its complexities, high stakes and humor."

The film follows some children to and through the Kids on Fire Pentecostal summer camp in Devil's Lake, North Dakota run by Becky Fischer of Kids In Ministry International (KIMI).

KIMI is an Evangelical organization whose purpose is to:

"Teach, train, and equip children to do the work of ministry and release them in their giftings and callings."

The film was released last year, and made the film festival rounds, including Michael Moore's Traverse City film festival, where it won the "Scariest Movie" award (for good reason, as I intend to show).

The film also features an appearance by Ted Haggard who was (at the time the documentary was filmed) the head of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) a coalition of Evangelical churches claiming a membership of over 4.5 million members.

Haggard has since resigned his post at the NAE due to a scandal involving his having a three year relationship with a male prostitute and methamphetamine use. Haggard has since confessed to "sexual immorality", and will probably be forgiven by his deluded followers. Before his downfall, Haggard was among a select group of church leaders who had weekly conference calls with the White House concerning issues such as a national ban on gay marriage.

THE FILM:

Okay, now on to the film.

I intend to use clips of the film throughout this post, but if you like, the entire thing can be viewed online here. It is broken into 17 clips which can be viewed one at a time or as a whole. I would recommend watching the whole thing, but it is almost an hour and a half long, so I have placed a few clips within this post to show the points I'm talking about.

The film starts out the way most independent documentaries do, with an audio and video collage designed to give you a taste of what the film makers are going to 'discuss'. Then, in clip two, we are shown a portion of a typical Pentecostal service that gives the viewer a good idea of what Becky Fischer is all about.

For those of you who don't know, The Pentecostal movement began in the late 1890's in the mountains of North Carolina, USA, and for a while was a regional anomaly staying mostly in the Appalachian regions of North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia.

Over time it has become a fragmented group of over 11,000 different Evangelical denominations including the Church of God with Signs Following, who are the infamous "snake handlers" who believe that true faith, and the grace of God can be shown by handling poisonous snakes and drinking poison.

While Pentecostal churches differ in details of their faith, and teaching, there are some core beliefs they all adhere to.

They believe in baptism by water as most Christian groups do, but they also believe in what they call baptism in the Holy Spirit. They believe that once a person has been "bathed" in the Holy Spirit they achieve a higher connection with God.

This higher connection manifests, according to believers through certain gifts, such as the ability to prophesize, and to "speak in tongues." When a person is speaking in tongues he/she basically babbles incoherently. For a non-believer it looks quite silly, but for a believer it is a form of holy communication. For many Pentecostals 'tongues' is THE sign of having been bathed in the Holy Spirit--no babble = no connection. Therefore, they all babble.

The baptisms are followed, according to adherents, by what is known as sanctification. When a person has been 'sanctified in the Lord' he/she has had the effects of their past sins wiped away--similar to the absolution of a Catholic.

Public repentance of one's sins is very important and is often a major part of Pentecostal services. Proselytizing is also very important, and is what makes them so annoying to run into.

Pentecostals tend to be poor and/or rural, poorly educated, and frankly quite annoying. They are also a group with whom I have (unfortunately) had quite a bit of experience with having grown up in Kentucky, and living for a good while in Asheville, NC quite near the epicenter of the Pentecostal movement.

I have, out of curiosity, been to many Pentecostal services. For someone like myself, all of the babbling, screaming, crying, and mayhem during these services can be a mixture of entertainment and quite honestly fear. For adherents, they can be a source of what I would term religious ecstasy.

The beliefs and drama of Pentecostal churches lend themselves quite well to people whose lives feel devoid of meaning and/or happiness, after all, what better promise can be made to someone who is suffering through the hardships of poverty and rural drudgery than the powers and love of Heaven. This is especially true for children who are given a sense of power and purpose far beyond what they could realistically expect otherwise: something shown quite well in this documentary.

Back to the film.

Clip three is very important. This clip contains an interview with Fischer wherein she discusses how easy it is to spread her message to children, and inadvertently shows why people like her prey (no pun intended) on children. She then discusses why it's important to use this predation to fight the evil followers of Islam.

I won't interject what I see her saying, and why it scares me, because nothing I could say would do it justice. You have to watch it to really see what's going on. She also discusses George Bush, but more on that subject later.

(View the clip at the link above, here, or below.)



As the film moves on we are shown the type of environment that the children in the film are raised. Many Evangelical children are home schooled which is a major tool of indoctrination. Homeschooling a child can be a good thing if the parent doing the schooling ensures that the child gets a proper education, but, most of the time, that is not the motivating factor in a parent's decision to home school.

The vast majority of the time a parent opts for homeschooling because they don't want their children exposed to ideas contrary to their own--especially scientific subjects like evolution, and social topics such as; tolerance of other races, religions, and lifestyles. This idea is also seen in cult situations, where one of the most powerful tools used is isolation from outside influences.

As a result, many of these children become incapable of participating in the larger society as an adult, and end up perpetuating the belief structure they are taught as a child. Clips 4,5,and 6 show the mechanics and result of this quite well.

In the last five minutes of clip seven we begin to see the indoctrination take shape. Fischer begins breaking down the children, and giving them their only source of hope--her ideas. It is at this point, that the film really starts to become disturbing.

(View the clip at the link above, here, or below.)



In clip eight we are shown where this indoctrination is headed with statements and messages from the instructors like: "How many want to be those who will give up their life for Jesus?" Down with the government. Put God back into government. "Make war." "Are you a part of it or not?"

While these people do a good job of putting forth their agenda regarding the government, this same agenda was summarized better more than a half-century ago:

"Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country] … I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press—in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past … [few] years."

The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922–1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871–872.

Sound familiar? It does to me.

The Fischer philosophy on government continues in clip thirteen when the film takes an almost surreal twist as the children are asked to bless and pray over a cardboard cutout of George Bush. They are then informed that they are the most important generation in American history (talk about a sense of meaning) and are lectured on the evils of abortion. Followed by being taught a ritual using small plastic dolls to pray against abortion.

(View the clip at the link above, here, or below.)



Following the beatification of Bush, and the demonizing of abortion, we are introduced to Ted Haggard, not quite as disturbing as the other clips, but good for seeing a hypocrite in action. (You can view the clip here)

The last few clips of the film follow some of the children after they leave the camp, and show them putting their indoctrination to work, by proselytising and participating in an anti-abortion rally.

Clip fifteen ends with two of the children talking about how wonderful it is not to be afraid of dying in God's service, and how cool it would be to be a martyr.

The final clip before the end credits is especially haunting. In this clip we get really good insight to just has insane this leader and teacher of children truly is.

(View the clip at the link above, here, or below.)



And, in case you were wondering, Fischer likes the film. She believes that it casts a positive, or at least fair light on her and her cause. In contrast, Haggard felt that the film made him look too extreme.

Many people who see films or television shows like this have a hard time understanding how anyone can succumb to such a thing, but, like I said before fanatic Evangelicals prey primarily on the type of people who are the most susceptible to indoctrination: the poor, those without hope, the undereducated, the downtrodden, and especially children. Religions and governments have been doing the same thing for millennia.

Whether it’s the indoctrination of Catholic children through ritual, the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance by American school children, or the telling a small child that he or she has been given a gift and/or mission from an almighty god, all forms of establishment use a form of indoctrinating children to achieve order and control. How else could a man like Jim Jones convince hundreds of people to commit mass suicide and murder?

I won’t go so far as to say that patriotism, ethnic pride, or even religious belief are in and of themselves evil, but such things in the wrong hands can be very dangerous. Look at what Hitler was able to do to a proud honorable people who had been smacked down, and then punished for World War I. By manipulating the suffering, pride, bigotries, and desire for a better life of the German people he was able to commit atrocities the likes of which the World had never seen. And Hitler knew well that children were especially susceptible to fanatic indoctrination:

"While the older generation could still waver, the younger generation has pledged itself to us and is ours, body and soul!"

Adolf Hitler, Speech at Nuremberg, 1934

Becky Fischer, and others like her, well know this idea.

There are also the people who will say:

"This group of radicals does not represent Christianity as a whole”

Maybe not, but Osama Bin Laden does not represent Islam as a whole, yet it is his fanatic followers that have brought us to where we are today, along with radicals on the other side that continue to up the ante.

Then there are the people who watch this and try to convince themselves that a fringe group of radicals could never truly impact their lives. Much the same thoughts were around in the 1930’s when people thought that the ridiculous events in Germany would stay put, and again in the 1990’s when radicals in Afghanistan were hardly seen as a real threat to the rest of the World.

One quote that nicely summarizes the beliefs of these two different groups of people, as well as of all the Becky Fischers of the World is the following:

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

p. 46 Mein Kampf by Adolph Hitler

In the World as it is today; full of fear, doubt, suffering, and struggle there are many people who are susceptible to the rantings of lunatics and the promises of a better life to come through their teachings. And, there are many people willing to manipulate these people, and guide them to their own destruction. Don’t believe me? Watch the news, read the newspaper, or visit a local church.

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Who Will Tend the Flock

Well folks, it turns out that there are as many gay sheep (per-capita) as there are gay humans (sheep must like Sinatra too.)

When I first discovered this, my faith was a little shaken. I asked myself how this many sheep could choose to be gay. Since we all know that being gay is a choice to affront the will of God, and not part of the natural scheme of things, because to accept that being gay is natural would mean we would have to treat gay people like human beings, which is something that no real Christian could do.

So, I did like all good Christians and just ignored the fact that studies like these (and common sense) show that being gay is part of nature, and not some kind of evil way of life. Yes, my brethren I ignored the facts and reality and turned instead to the Bible, to find out who should help these poor lost sheep.

First I discovered that sheep have their own prayer. It's in Psalms, and I had heard it before, but never saw the context. It goes like this:

The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

After seeing this I began to believe that God had a plan for these poor sheep.

Then I found the following:

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

John 10: 14-16

There was my proof. Jesus was sent down here to help the sheep--not just the sheep that followed him, but also the sheep who didn't know him.

So, to whom may the sheep turn for help in knowing Jesus in our modern world? Well I found many churches that go by the name "The Good Shepherd", but it seems that all of them minister solely to humans, which seems to be an affront to God's will concerning sheep. So, my search continues.

Maybe someday I will find the Reverend Bo Peep, who will look after the souls of these poor creatures, and apply some form of the bullshit (oops. It slipped) commonly known as "ex-gay" to these poor creatures.

(And don't try to tell me that Bo Peep is a fictional character, because I think we all know that she is as real as Jesus.)

Until I find Reverend Bo Peep, I guess I will just have to live in a World based on reality, and not hatred and stupidity, and just accept these sheep for who they are instead of making up excuses to hate them.

Must Be Nice...

It must be nice to live in a country where the government has the balls to stand up to Christidiots.

It seems that there are at least two of them out there.


Country One--Brazil:

Not only does Brazil host Carnival, which could easily be considered the hedonist's party of all parties, but they also consider the American tradition of conning money out of people in the name of God to be fraud, larceny, and money laundering.

Estevam Hernandes Filho (a.k.a. Apostle Estevam), and Sonia Haddad Moraes Hernandes (a.k.a. Bishop Sonia), founders of the Evangelical Reborn in Christ Church in Brazil were arrested in Miami on January, 8 for trying to smuggle undeclared money into the United States--they claimed to have $10,000 on them when they arrived, but in fact had over $56,000; $9,000 of which was hidden in Sonia'a Bible (which marks the first time I know of that this particular book was worth the paper it's printed on.)

What makes Brazil stand out in this case is that they want the apostle and bishop extradited from the US to them, on charges of, among other things, fraud, tax evasion, larceny, and money laundering. It seems that church leaders in Brazil can't get away with making millions of dollars in the name of God and then using that money to buy record labels, broadcast companies, and mansions in Florida.

If the Apostle and Bishop had been a little smarter, and done these things here in the United States they wouldn't be having these problems. Hell they could even be neighbors or business partners with other Evangelicals like Pat Robertson who evades taxes, owns broadcast companiesowns broadcast companies, launders money, makes energy shakes, calls for the assassination of foreign leaders, and engages in gold and diamond mining adventures with African Dictators. But, then again having a mansion in Florida could be dangerous, since Robertson has called for there to be earthquakes there.

Country Two--Britain:

Yes folks, Georgie's only substantial ally in his annexation of Iraq, the British Government, actually seems to have grown a spine, and is http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6309495.stmstanding up to the Catholic Church over a proposed law that would bar discrimination against gay couples in the adoption process.

The Catholics, of course, want to discriminate as they see fit, and have threatened to close Catholic orphanages before they would give one of their orphans to a loving and caring gay couple. An unconfirmed (and possibly fictitious) source has hinted to me that the loss of unguarded young boys would put quite a damper on the priesthood's morale, and place nuns in a bad position.

As anyone who pays attention here in the US knows, damned near any Christian church can get away with discrimination against anyone for any reason. Hell, they can even blame them (gays) for everything from 9/11 to hurricane Katrina. It must be nice to live with such a deluded mind, or better yet to live in a country that stands up to Christian, Islamic, Jewish, etc. bullshit.

Sinatra's Gay Grannies Agenda

Well folks, today I learned something horrible. According to Donnie Davies at Love God's Way, Frank Sinatra had a hidden gay agenda. Yes folks, The Chairman of the Board, The Voice, Ole' Blue Eyes had been using his music to turn the generation that fought the Second World War gay.

According to Mr. Davies:

One of the most dangerous ways homosexuality invades family life is through popular music. Parents should keep careful watch over their children's listening habits, especially in this Internet Age of MP3 piracy.

To protect families and children Mr. Davies has compiled a list of "Gay Bands" and Frankie is on this list right between K D Lang (gay), and Hinder (shitty).

While I normally don't worry about "hidden gay agendas", this one was scary because it could involve my grandmother, and quite frankly, visions of Granny and Rosie O'Donnel locked in lesbian sex is quite disturbing to me.

You see, my grandmother (who turned 89 last December) all but raised me from the time I was twelve until I went into the Army at 17. During these formative years my grandmother allowed me to listen to music I liked such as: Led Zepplin (not on the list), KISS (also not on the list),and The Eagles (Nope, not on the list), but she also took control of the music occasionally and listened to bands such as Glenn Miller, Count Basie, and Tommy Dorsey (for whom Frankie was a lead singer), as well as performers like Bing Crosby, Dean Martin, and, yes you guessed it, Frank Sinatra.

Granny used to talk a lot about how "gorgeous a man" Sinatra was and lamented modern society's lack of "real men" like Sinatra, Martin, and Bogart. So, obviously Sinatra had cast his "turn you gay" spell over my poor unsuspecting grandma.

When I first became aware of Sinatra's evil doings it seemed a bit far fetched. After all, this was the man about whom Humphrey Bogart once said:

"If he could stay away from the broads and devote his time to being an actor, he'd be one of the best in the business."

And whom the FBI even had record of being something of a ladies man, or as they labeled him: a seducer, and adulterer. This is the guy who won an academy award for his part in From Here to Eternity, and again for his part in The Manchurian Candidate. He was also in the original Ocean's Eleven, and one of my favorite movies: Von Ryan's Express.

But, then other little tidbits started dawning on me, such as one of Sinatra's signature songs I've Got You Under My Skin, which was written by Cole Porter (on the list), who was somewhat openly gay.

But the big give away was Granny herself. I remember her saying one time that she didn't care if Rock Hudson was gay because he was a wonderful actor and "very nice to look at." And then there was granny's comment on Boy George (on the list--duh).




Upon seeing Boy George on television, Granny laughed at first, but then turned to me and said:

Well he is kinda cute, and has a good voice.

In my mind I put this little comment together with Granny's teaching me that it was stupid to hate people because they are a different color or religion, or because of how they look, talk, or love, and that's when it hit me. Dear God!!! Frank Sinatra turned my gramma gay.

She will probably never admit her orientation, and I didn't see her at last summer's "Dyke March" in New York, but, for her generation, open sexuality is not the norm, so I don't see her as a hypocrite, and obviously still love her even though I will probably go to Hell for doing so.

I am so glad that Mr. Davies and his hate group helped me to see the light. Though it is going to be hard to give up some of my favorite music like: Nirvana, Queen, and The Doors all of whom made the gay list. The good news I guess is that Marilyn Manson, and Nine Inch Nails didn't make the list, so are still safe for me listen to*.

Other omissions include TATU (probably because they are only pretend lesbians, or Russian, or because they are cute, unlike KD Lang, and cute girls kissing on video is OK to Christians), and Britney Spears who should be on every list of music not to listen to.

A band that made the safe list confused me though. I would think that Flyleaf's song Cassie would be objectionable because of the lead singer's (atheist and recovering drug addict) reference to belief in God being like shooting one's self in the head. But, maybe I am reading into it too much.

Another bit of confusion from this group is their use of an Oscar Wilde quote to get their message across, and referring to him as a reformed homosexual. Maybe they are referring to Wilde's being accepted in the Catholic Church on his death bed even though most literary historians agree that there was no way Wilde could have known what was going on. After all this is the guy who said shortly before his death:

"My wallpaper and I are fighting a duel to the death. One or other of us has got to go."

It seems that the wallpaper won.


A bit of Ron trivia--I do actually like both of these bands.

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